Comments on: Warren lies about Prop 8 support

By: The Church of Liars? — Bligbi

The Church of Liars? — Bligbi — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:12:51 +0000

[...] What Warren actually said was that he was not anti-gay and he had not endorsed Prop 8 which is a lie. Warren issued a video statement to his church which recently trained 2400 new members in one day and has an average attendance rate of 22,000 per week wherein he clearly expressed support for Prop 8 and encouraged his followers to do the same. The video is here. [...]

By: Culture warriors take aim at Warren — Bligbi

Culture warriors take aim at Warren — Bligbi — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:05:02 +0000

[...] culture warriors are not happy with Rick Warren lying about his support of Prop 8, his homophobic remarks and general bigotry against gay [...]

By: A Taste of the Coming Storm « The Pugnacious Irishman

A Taste of the Coming Storm « The Pugnacious Irishman — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:19:28 +0000

[...] pragmatic perspective, both sides will be throwing feces at the man. The left will view it as disingenuous. The right will view it as the fear of man and will argue that he’s being unfaithful to both [...]

By: «bønez_brigade»

«bønez_brigade» — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:53:01 +0000

Somewhere, in the depths of the Weblopædianary, a word awaits the following definition:
“To give support to anti-gay legislation on video and later, also on video, deny that that support was ever given.”

BTW, methinks that either something is wrong with Warren’s right pinky, or something is wrong with his basic math skills.

By: GG

GG — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:14:12 +0000

Warren just did his first interview since the Inauguration with Christianity Today and they brought up this ~~misunderstanding~~ bald-faced lie:

Warren: What I was trying to say is, those who obviously opposed my viewpoint on the biblical definition or the historical definition of marriage were trying to turn me into an anti-gay activist. The truth is, Proposition 8 was a two-year campaign in the state, and during those two years, I never said a word about it until the eight days before the election, and then I did make a video for my own people when they asked, "How should we vote on this?" It was a pastor talking to his own people. I've never said anything about it since. I don't know how you take one video newsletter to your own church and turn that into, all of a sudden I'm the poster boy for anti-gay marriage.

Link

By: Greta Christina

Greta Christina — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:08:28 +0000

You know, there’s this concept Warren might want to familiarize himself with.

It’s called an apology.

We live in a time when you can no longer say, “I never said that.” Ever, ever, ever. If you said it — on video, in a newspaper column, in a blog comment, whatever — people will find it.

So if you’re trying to backpedal from something you said that’s alienating people, “I didn’t say that” is simply not an option.

You know what is still an option, though? A time-honored one from way back? “I’m sorry. I said those things, and I’m sorry I said them. I was mistaken, I’ve since changed my mind, I’ve been educated on this topic, I now understand better.” If Warren really is trying to shift the public perception of him as a bigoted, homophobic schmuck, pretending he never said these things is not going to fly. Apologizing for them is the only way to go.

Of course, I don’t think he is trying to do that. I think he’s trying to have it both ways: he’s trying to pander to the rabidly homophobic extreme Christian right, while staying in the good graces of more mainstream America, which has more tolerant attitudes towards gays and lesbians. I’m just saying, is all.

By: mikespeir

mikespeir — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:01:29 +0000

And I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe.

This may actually be a bit of a silver lining. It wasn’t too long ago that any minister at any conservative Christian church certainly would have equated the three. We’re seeing them start to retreat; in baby steps, to be sure, but this is an unmistakable concession.