Warren lies about Prop 8 support

By Karen On 7 April 2009 In Assholes, Religion

Rick Warren must still be smarting from the outrage Obama provoked when he chose the despicable jackass to speak at his inauguration as he is still lying about his support for prop 8.

Warren on CNN last night:

WARREN: Larry, there was a story within a story that never got told. In the first place, I am not an anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist. I never have been, never will be.

During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never — never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

Rick Warren’s video of himself endorsing Prop 8:

In the video Warren is shown talking about how four guys overthrew the will of the people thus forcing the need for proposition 8.  Warren then makes it a point to say this:

“Now let me just say this really clearly. We support proposition 8.  And if you believe what the bible says about marriage, you need to support proposition 8.”

If it looks like an endorsement and sounds like an endorsement, shouldn’t we call it an endorsement?

Warren was not finished though.  He went on to say that he was also lied about when some of us brought up his comparison of marriage equality for gay people to paedophilia and incest.

Warren stated:

There were some things said that — you know, everybody should have 10 percent grace when they say public statements. And I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe. And I actually announced that.

Here is Warren in another interview conducted by Steven Waldman of BeliefNet:

Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do.  …

And you know what the sad and horrible thing is? It’s quite possible that Warren doesn’t actually believe the shit that’s come out of his mouth.  He could just be in it for the money, the attention or whatever it is he’s chasing after.

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Comments
  1. 1508 days ago
    mikespeir

    And I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe.

    This may actually be a bit of a silver lining. It wasn’t too long ago that any minister at any conservative Christian church certainly would have equated the three. We’re seeing them start to retreat; in baby steps, to be sure, but this is an unmistakable concession.

  2. 1507 days ago
    Greta Christina

    You know, there’s this concept Warren might want to familiarize himself with.

    It’s called an apology.

    We live in a time when you can no longer say, “I never said that.” Ever, ever, ever. If you said it — on video, in a newspaper column, in a blog comment, whatever — people will find it.

    So if you’re trying to backpedal from something you said that’s alienating people, “I didn’t say that” is simply not an option.

    You know what is still an option, though? A time-honored one from way back? “I’m sorry. I said those things, and I’m sorry I said them. I was mistaken, I’ve since changed my mind, I’ve been educated on this topic, I now understand better.” If Warren really is trying to shift the public perception of him as a bigoted, homophobic schmuck, pretending he never said these things is not going to fly. Apologizing for them is the only way to go.

    Of course, I don’t think he is trying to do that. I think he’s trying to have it both ways: he’s trying to pander to the rabidly homophobic extreme Christian right, while staying in the good graces of more mainstream America, which has more tolerant attitudes towards gays and lesbians. I’m just saying, is all.

  3. 1507 days ago
    GG

    Warren just did his first interview since the Inauguration with Christianity Today and they brought up this misunderstanding bald-faced lie:

    Warren: What I was trying to say is, those who obviously opposed my viewpoint on the biblical definition or the historical definition of marriage were trying to turn me into an anti-gay activist. The truth is, Proposition 8 was a two-year campaign in the state, and during those two years, I never said a word about it until the eight days before the election, and then I did make a video for my own people when they asked, “How should we vote on this?” It was a pastor talking to his own people. I’ve never said anything about it since. I don’t know how you take one video newsletter to your own church and turn that into, all of a sudden I’m the poster boy for anti-gay marriage.

    Link

  4. 1507 days ago
    «bønez_brigade»

    Somewhere, in the depths of the Weblopædianary, a word awaits the following definition:
    “To give support to anti-gay legislation on video and later, also on video, deny that that support was ever given.”

    BTW, methinks that either something is wrong with Warren’s right pinky, or something is wrong with his basic math skills.